User talk:Siguard/Archive 1

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Keep up the good work

Been seeing you in my watchlist! I just wanted to say nice job on reconciling all the different pages to one another, especially where I have failed to do so (e.g. I didn't know it was common to categorise all of the traits until very recently). It's nice to see someone who is focused on the consistency of appearance, too, as - for a change, on wikis - we have as much content as we do mess, and fixing both are equally difficult jobs!

But yep! Keep fighting the good fight! You're not unappreciated! Luke (talk) 03:30, 2 March 2016 (MST)

and you are still at it! Great job on the LaForge traits thing. Wasn't sure what to move earlier. Gen Lee Specific (talk) 14:50, 17 May 2017 (CDT)

You've been audited!

Just wanted to let you know that I found this edit where you added data to Crunch's area instead of your own. Looking at the raw data, you later re-added the data to your own area, so that one run was duplicated. I undid the change you did to crunch's values without adding them to yours for that reason. Please double-check your records in case my decision was incorrect. — CodeHydro (msg) 06:59, 27 June 2016 (CDT)

Total hell! I'm usually really careful about which data I add. I really do worry about messing up that data. It's super useful. Good catch.--Siguard (talk) 09:19, 27 June 2016 (CDT)
No worries, I've messed up in the past before too. We're all human. This is why I'm taking the time to do this audit. Actually in looking at the edit history, I find you're doing a great job segregating sources where new testers fail to use expr tag. PS: You may be interested in this soon-to-be-released feature. It may take me a few more days... — CodeHydro (msg) 13:21, 27 June 2016 (CDT)
Yeah, that's awesome. I'm trying hard to resist just going ahead and using it, heh.--Siguard (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2016 (CDT)
  • I apologize for the delay in releasing the DropTest update. Still have a lot of auditing to do and probably won't have time until after the event. As a consolation prize, I present Template:Icons ;) — CodeHydro (msg) 14:46, 2 July 2016 (CDT)
...I'll except it ;) PS, I love the way you started out that template description. "Just because [you] hates manually typing things."--Siguard (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2016 (CDT)

Image Categories

Hi Siguard, Every one of the images you uploaded needs to be changed. They all need <noinclude> and </noinclude> tags. If they dont, then any page they are used on will be in the category as well. --Titantalk 02:20, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Damnit... thanks.--CaptSiguard (talk) 02:00, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Item naming

Hey Cap Sig, could you name the next uploads of items with someones name without the apostrophe... so instead of "GoddessTroi'sDress" name it "GoddessTroisDress" (I already renamed them) ps. btw, thanks for the uploads Otto Vonbacon ❯❯❯ Talk 02:36, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

You know, I normally do, but going over the file names of all of the items (for a project I'm working on) quite a lot of them have the apostrophes, like way more than the ones I ever uploaded. But yeah, until I can figure up exactly how I want to work my project, I should be doing things like normal.--CaptSiguard (talk) 03:52, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
If you look at my talk page there is a comment from you saying to leave out the apostrophes (I edited this comment to be clear and not reference things that I can not find). Otto Vonbacon ❯❯❯ Talk 04:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Template "Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards" and "faction 2"

Hi Siguard. It might be a bit soon, but when I saw the advanced state of your work on {{Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards}}, I decided to use it already for Children of Apollo#Event Rewards. Works pretty well! I made a small correction to the code for the 26,000 VP reward tier. However, I couldn't get the Bajoran Transmissions to show up. Any idea what's going on there? Or is it because of the space in Ferengi Traditionalists? (Guess the latter one has to be accounted for as well when displaying the transmission's icon.) --Tygra Dax (talk) 03:43, 27 February 2017 (CST)

Good catch with the minor correction. The issue with the Ferengi Traditionalists was that space in there. That's now fixed along with the "faction 2" not showing (missing | in the if statement there). Thanks for helping be debug it! ;) --Siguard (talk) 08:49, 27 February 2017 (CST)

Image Fip

Thanks for the info, I was trying to have it where the toolbox would show a "flipped" image correctly but it just made a mess of it so I decided to just upload the flipped image Otto Vonbacon ❯❯❯ Talk 09:39, 28 February 2017 (CST)


Hey, will you take a look at Special:Contributions/Maintenance_script, we uploaded a bunch of images [DB] Nod provided. Titantalk 16:56, 1 March 2017 (CST)

Is the plan to put those on crew pages? It'd be great if Nod could get the headshots as well. I know we've had some consistency issues there in the past. Silverstorm (talk) 23:44, 6 March 2017 (CST)

"The Whole Truth" and template "Event Rewards/Ranked Rewards"

Hi Siguard. As I have also noted on Titan's talk page for the previous event, the template {{Event Rewards/Ranked Rewards}} you have (indirectly) used for The Whole Truth#Event Rewards does not match the actual rewards for that event. For example, #1 gets 3x Hockey Paris, not 2. Do you have a suggestion to solve that problem? --18:15 March 1, 2017 Tygra Dax

Hey, thanks for helping us debug that template. While fixing that error, I also fixed another issue I didn't notice before. --Siguard (talk) 23:37, 1 March 2017 (CST)
PS, I see the threshold rewards aren't as consistent as it needs to be to use the {{Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards}} as it currently stands, but I have a plan of action to fix it. It's going to take a bit of time to do that, however, so just know that we're working on it.--Siguard (talk) 10:36, 2 March 2017 (CST)
Yes, I agree they have changed too much till now. Any chance you can give us an idea about how you'll fix it? More practically, I guess we can't use {{Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards}} or {{Event Rewards}} anymore until your plan has been fully executed. So, we'll have to go back to the previous solutions. --Tygra Dax (talk) 13:12, 2 March 2017 (CST)
I wouldn't say they change so much that we can't use {{Event Rewards}}. The Ranked Rewards seem to have been the same (for the past while at least). Same thing for the Squad Rewards. The only issue right now is {{Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards}} which I plan to have fixed tonight. It'll end up being more typing than I'd like, but less than if you were to copy, paste, and edit a table from an old event. I'm a little excited to start and would right now, but I'm starting to fall behind at work, heh.--Siguard (talk) 14:49, 2 March 2017 (CST)
Ok, {{Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards}} is finished. Now we build the table line by line on the event page. It's not ideal, but it's the best I know how to do to accommodate DB's changes. --Siguard (talk) 01:02, 3 March 2017 (CST)
Siguard, thank you for your changes. However, there has been a mix-up. This was about the {{Event Rewards/Ranked Rewards}}, not the {{Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards}}. I missed that in your second reply and I see I myself did copy-paste that wrongly once as well, though.
1. Ranked Rewards: They have changed frequently in the past. Do you have a suggestion to solve that problem? A straightforward solution like you now made for the threshold rewards could work, but then the table layout would change to something like the in-game version, whereas the current one has its advantages.
2. Threshold Rewards: For this event the threshold rewards did change as well, apparently. The modified template now allows for that, which is a good thing for sure. The existing template did work well for Children of Apollo#Event Rewards, though, and after the changes you've made to the template for this event, the rewards are broken for the previous event...
3. Event Rewards: Does your change to {{Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards}} mean we'll not use that part of {{Event Rewards}} anymore? See also 2.
PS Maybe the new {{Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards}} can be renamed to {{Event Rewards/Threshold Rewards Row}} (or "/row") or something? That would be a bit more consistent and might help with some of the other aspects as well.
--Tygra Dax (talk) 14:29, 3 March 2017 (CST)

Event Rewards Template

Will you make it so any reward without an icon (i.e. before an icon is added) defaults to: Rare reward icon.png

What would be especially awesome is if this is the icon showing, if it could automatically link to the upload page for the item name of the missing item. Titantalk 16:19, 6 March 2017 (CST)

Ok, I changed the icon, but I an reluctant in changing the link location because I feel like most of the time the error is going to be that it's a similar looking item and the template:ItemPic/1 page hasn't been updated, or that the rarity entered doesn't exist for that item. I'd hate for multiple items to be floating around that are the same image. Thoughts?--Siguard (talk) 21:59, 6 March 2017 (CST)
That is a good point. In that case, redirect to the Template doucmentarion for the icon. Either way it should have a link somewhere, and it makes sense for it to me a maintanence link as its either a missing image or the template hasnt been updated. Either way something needs to be updated/uploaded. Titantalk 23:07, 6 March 2017 (CST)

Galaxy Templates

Hey! I saw/heard from Tygra Dax that you had been working on templates for events. I put together a set for Galaxy missions, would appreciate your thoughts over on Talk:Galaxy_Event. Thanks! Silverstorm (talk) 23:48, 6 March 2017 (CST)

I like it. It's less typing which is always good. For build changes I would maybe have the build like this:
| Listening Device =
* 1x {{item|Isolinear Chips|basic}}
* 1x {{item|Emitter Crystal|common}}
* 1x {{item|Earpiece|basic}}
* 1x {{item|Writing PADD (DS9)|basic}}
{{!}} [[File:AndorianCommunicatorBasic.png|80px]] [[Template:Silverstorm/Galaxy/Builds#Listening Device Change|Listening Device]]
| Listening Device 2 =
* 1x {{item|Isolinear Chips|basic}}
* 1x {{item|Emitter Crystal|common}}
* 1x {{item|Earpiece|basic}}
* 1x {{item|Writing PADD (TOS)|basic}}
{{!}} [[File:AndorianCommunicatorBasic.png|80px]] Listening Device
And then on Template:Silverstorm/Galaxy/Builds have a subsection for each build change listing all of the different changes for that item so that the user can know they need to either update the template, or change their build item to "<item name> 2". Does that make sense?--Siguard (talk) 09:42, 7 March 2017 (CST)
Yes, it does. I'll think about how to best do that. Having the history/reasons for updating the build would be nice. Thanks! Silverstorm (talk) 23:41, 7 March 2017 (CST)
Galaxy templates are migrated into the main namespace. Listening Device uses your suggested linking/versioning approach. Silverstorm (talk) 08:39, 11 March 2017 (CST)

Event Pages

Hey Siguard, Just a friendly reminder that on event pages, its prefered to NOT use {{SACharacter}}. This is so the event page isn't updated when new crew are added. After an event, an event page is a "historical document", and should reflect the characters in the game at the time. Have a good afternoon, Titantalk 00:28, 8 March 2017 (CST)

Maquis Ro Laren's Head

Hey Sig, I had the file open on upload and thus had not noticed you had already uploaded a new higher res image. Just wanted to let you know that I had not seen it and was not trying to nitpick by uploading a slightly larger image. Otto Vonbacon ❯❯❯ Talk 13:38, 8 March 2017 (CST)

Haha, no, that's totally fine. I fully expect you to update the crew head images because you always have a much higher resolution than I can get. I'm 100% on board with that.--Siguard (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2017 (CST)
Awesome, I'm glad to hear it :) Otto Vonbacon ❯❯❯ Talk 19:54, 8 March 2017 (CST)


Hey Sig, I've worked pretty hard on the two previous wikis and now this one.... Is there a way where I can get at least some low level admin status since I'm getting somewhat tired of people on the forums or elsewhere claiming to do a lot or when people are giving credit to and I feel like somehow my input is not really valued. Again I don't really care about things to much but when I see that my opinion is simply put aside because it doesn't look like I do much I do feel a little sting of hurt. I have now created many new things and I would highly appreciate it it at least the guys running the wiki acknowledge that input. Otto Vonbacon ❯❯❯ Talk 21:38, 13 March 2017 (CDT)

You do do a lot. I see that for sure. I would grant you admin rights, but it looks like Admiral Titan already did last night around midnight. ;)
PS, you were the only member of "Autopatrol". I don't exactly know what that is off-hand, but it sounds neat.--Siguard (talk) 11:00, 14 March 2017 (CDT)
Thanks for the support guys, I really enjoy working on this with you and best thing I learn a lot. I'm not sure what auto patrol does but hey, who doesn't like having something like auto pilot ;) Otto Vonbacon ❯❯❯ Talk 11:05, 14 March 2017 (CDT)
We put all the active contributors (prior to adding admins) as autopatrol. Basically this makes all of their edits show as patrolled. In other words, their edits dont have the red exclaimation mark next to them on the recent changes screen. The rank is used for those who are "good contributors", but dont really need admin (or in this case, before we were ready to add admins). Titantalk 12:32, 14 March 2017 (CDT)


Hey Sig, I'm curious what fleet you are in if any and if you are looking for peeps.... Otto Vonbacon ❯❯❯ Talk 18:51, 20 March 2017 (CDT)

I am! We're The United Federation of Gays aka TUFG. It's mostly all gay guys, but if you want to join and aren't gay, we won't hold that against you. I mean, nobody's perfect, haha. We're currently full, but I'm sure there's at least one inactive member that can make room for you if you're interested. --Siguard (talk) 23:12, 20 March 2017 (CDT)
That sounds like a great group of people and I would love to join when you have a spot. Send me a friend request [email protected] Otto Vonbacon ❯❯❯ Talk 10:15, 21 March 2017 (CDT)

Howdy Sig, I'm Interested in joining TUFG fleet. Gay, Daily player, Level 33, been playing about 3 months. send me a friend request at [email protected] NonRandomNick (talk) 21:41, 1 May 2017 (CDT)

The Gauntlet

Hey Siguard, i thought id share with you a new template i made. Template:The Gauntlet/History You should take a look at the template code. It is using a new extension (one gamepedia had, and we installed here as well). The template should auto-update when the month ends and a new month begins to add another section. I will probably modify the template at the end of the year to include a single parameter "year" so it will only display a max of 12 months. What do you think? Titantalk 15:39, 7 April 2017 (CDT)

Yeah, that's kind of bad ass. It took me a bit to figure out how to edit the damn thing, but then saw the months were set up like the drop tests. Hell, I may use that extension for my event list ...if I can figure up a good way to block them off. --Siguard (talk) 21:17, 8 April 2017 (CDT)

Take a look

Hey Siguard, take a look at the site notice i just created. What do you think? Ill update it every Wednesday to display that weeks event, and if a new feature is added, i can make it display that as well. Also, take a look at the Abuse Log (You should be able to view that). I have it set up to auto-block anyone who adds a phone number to the wiki, or any new user adding external links. Also blocks any new user typing specific ads for companies (such as HP Printer support). Most of the filters are set to only apply to new users, although some apply to all users. (All admins are exempt from all filters) What do you think? Titantalk 16:22, 4 May 2017 (CDT)

I like the site notices, but I also feel a bit more pressure to get the event image uploaded as fast as possible, heh. How long is it set up to cycle for? Like, will I need to dismiss it tomorrow, or is it IP specific and it's dismissed till the next new notice? Also, will it expire Monday at noon EDT?
I do like the auto-block, squashing scams and spams before they start. We need to keep an eye on it though, make sure it's not blocking real people. ...Admins are exempt you say... well then, for all your carpet needs just dial 1-800-ILOVEBRANDNEWCARPET. ;) --Siguard (talk) 12:00, 5 May 2017 (CDT)
First, hilarious. And 2nd its on a device by decive basis. It stores a cookie on your device and checks if its the same as the ID for the sitenotice. If it is, it doesnt display. If its not (it means you havent clicked dismiss, or the id has been changed), and it will display. Its not a time based notification, so this one will appear until the site notice is chhanged. So between events, ill probably blank the site notice page, so it just displays nothing. Titantalk 16:50, 5 May 2017 (CDT)
Also, any Admin+ can edit the template i made {{Sitenotice}}. It has instructions there for doing so. All templates regarding sitenotices are protected to admin+ Titantalk 16:52, 5 May 2017 (CDT)

Template IG

Hey, what is the new template i see your working on? {{IG}} Titantalk 00:12, 21 May 2017 (CDT)

Probably something I'm going to delete, heh. My dream is to have an easy way to display images in gallery mode, because I, like Code Hydro hate having to type out the code every time. I tried using something with my existing {{ItemPic}}, but kept running into an "excess of phaser functions" error. There's probably not a work around for what I want. --Siguard (talk) 19:34, 21 May 2017 (CDT)
May I suggest that you take advantage of {{ItemPic/1‎‎}} for this, and make a template IG/Items. Then you would still only need 2 inputs per entry, 1 for the item name, and 1 for the rarity (which you could easily allow to take a number or word). Then you could also have an option for a crew gallery pretty easily. This is especially good for me, as I'm in the process of going through and deleting all unused images, so galleries mean every file is used (vault cards, etc.) Titantalk 20:30, 24 May 2017 (CDT)

ItemPic Template

Hey Siguard,

I just created a potentially better template for item pics. See User:Titan/Sandbox/3.

  • The biggest advantage of this template is that a active list of items does NOT need to be maintained.
  • It automatically trims whitespace, apostrophes, parentheses, and periods.
    • It would be very easy to add an additional symbol to be filtered out in the future.
  • It will work with any item that has less then 10 words in the item (a word is separated by a space).
    • That should, in theory, cover any item by at least a few words.
  • It can be easily modified to allow additional parameters to be used, such as adding a border, changing the file type, alignment, etc.
    • It would be easy to create a wrapper for it that included the item name so it would imitate {{ItemPic}}, but with the above advantages.
  • If pages were created for all items rarities in the game (see disadvantages below), this would help make using images easier.
    • This also has the advantage of easier transitions to the new image if the item image is changed by DB
      • <extreme sarcasm> Which I'm sure they would never do... </extreme sarcasm>.


  • Currently, it only works with items that have a file name that is the same as the item. (See page for an example).
    • This could easily be worked around by creating file pages for the other items that share an image, and simply adding a redirect to those pages.
      • I think that would work.
      • If it doesn't, then re-uploading the image files for those pages wouldn't be too hard

Take a look and let me know what you think (email or talk page). Titantalk 02:07, 31 May 2017 (CDT)

Benny Russell

I saw you flipped the columns on Benny's stats; did you buy the pack and saw the order was wrong? I did them in the semi-alphabetical order they always are on the character cards, despite the reward table popup being in primacy order. -Middlehead (talk) 11:42, 7 June 2017 (CDT)

Lately the order is what what is listed on the forum notes, so I just went with that. I'm probably going to buy the offer anyway, so I'll fix it if it's wrong shortly. --Siguard (talk) 11:42, 7 June 2017 (CDT)
You were Right... It's fixed now. --Siguard (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2017 (CDT)


Hey Siguard, what is this template for? Titantalk 14:31, 21 June 2017 (CDT)

I needed it to print out an exclamation point for the template {{Crew/add}} for the ship ability table. --Siguard (talk) 16:14, 21 June 2017 (CDT)

Mission Names (Episode/Distress Calls)

Hi Siguard/Archive 1, Please see my post under the Community Portal and comment/vote. Thanks and have a good afternoon, Titantalk 02:22, 12 July 2017 (CDT)

Gauntlet Rewards

Hi Siguard!
I just stumbled upon your [[User:Siguard/GauntletRewards|{{GauntletRewards}}]] page by accident, and I think it's great and quite informative/helpful!
Should we maybe move it to a more "official" page, so others can contribute?
I'd also suggest to list components seperately from equippable items, as the former is mostly useless junk you already have, while the latter is almost always immensely useful and welcome. How do you log "multi-drops", especially for chronitons (which come in packs of 20, up to 100) but also for time portal rewards? If you just add say a "3" for a drop op 60 chrons, you'd skew your percentage values, I guess. If you don't list them at all, it would skew your result (as in "I got x chrons in y runs"). So maybe they, too, need to be listed separately. (or another column reflecting the total amount gained)
And my last question: would you mind if I added my stats to your page, or would you prefer it to be a history of "your" rewards? In that case, I could make a copy on my page, or as I said above we should probably make it public.
Cheers! --Crunch (talk) 12:40, 17 July 2017 (CDT)

Hey, Thanks! This was more of an experiment to see if I could get any sort of real data without it being totally random. I even changed to it today, like right after you sent this. Which leads into one of your questions, for the chronitons they come in sets of 20, so I've just been counting them as that, sets of 20 (i.e. 40 chrons would be 2 sets of 20). The trainers are trickier because they are in sets between 5 and 9 so just today I was like, ok, I need to treat one drop (even if it's a set of something) as one data point ...shit, that totally contradicts with what I just said about the Chrons. HA! I got it. We do both. One column with a data point being "a set of 3 star trainers", "a set of Chrons" and a side column of the % drop rate of sets of 5, sets of 6, sets of 7, etc. I'll have to rethink how I want to set the inputs. ...and I'll have to reset my data. :/
If you could, hold off on entering data just yet, but keep track of it. Hopefully, I can get everything flushed out soon. --Siguard (talk) 22:58, 17 July 2017 (CDT)

Immortalized Crew

Hi Siguard,

Just thought I'd mention that you should take a look at {{Immortalized Crew}}. Not sure if you'd be interested in using it yourself, but personally I'm working on Immortalizing all Common and Uncommon Crew atm (my base crew is pretty well built up, so putting that on hold). The example table on that page is my current status, as of today. I'm thinking about adding a template with a grid of crew (same order as cryostasis vault), with alternating options for normal crew image, and immortalized crew image. Perhaps an option for Frozen as well, but that would require a bunch new images. I might talk to DB Nod (on discord), about the possibility of getting images for: Black border crew, immortalized, frozen crew (i.e. all options for images in vault). Then adding a easy to use template for everyone to use would be easy to implement. Thoughts? Titantalk 03:32, 22 July 2017 (CDT)

As it stands right now, I personally wouldn't use it. However, it is really neat. Plus, it helps me out with learning how to code, heh. Having auto crew image flipping, from crew outlines to normal crew Heads to Immortalized crew Heads, would make this bad ass. One small note for how it's laid out now, I would make it auto calculate the total number of crew, because F Math. ;) --Siguard (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2017 (CDT)
If we were to get the images from Nod, then yeah, it would autocalculate totals for rarity and total. All you would have to do is fill out the alphabetized (and sorted by rarity) list with yes. Blank means not immortalized. This would be a massive use of variables.
{{#vardefine: UC IMMORT | 0}}
{{#vardefine: UC FROZEN | 0}}
{{#ifeq: {{lc:{{{Captain Kirk}}} }}
    | yes
    | <Image to display Captain Kirk Immortalized><!-- 
      -->{{#vardefine: UC IMMORT | {{#expr: {{#var: UC IMMORT}} + 1 }} }}
    | {{#ifeq: {{lc:{{{Captain Kirk}}} }}
          | frozen
          | <Image to display Captain Kirk Frozen><!-- 
            -->{{#vardefine: UC FROZEN | {{#expr: {{#var: UC FROZEN}} + 1 }} }}
          | <Image to display Captain Kirk silhouette>
The code for displaying the images would be in subtemplates. The overall code can't be because of the variable tracking, so this will be a long template. At the bottom, totals can be added (Frozen and Immort) to get full total of Uncommon crew. Then total for a rarity can be added to get full total. All this can automattically be passed into the other template i made, so it displays percentages. (Although would probably make if seperate so frozen can have its own column. Titantalk 18:31, 22 July 2017 (CDT)
It should be possible to do all this in a simple loop with numbered parameters, without having to put all the names into the template. Something like:
{{#loop: name
|{{#if: {{{ {{#var: name}}| }}}|Character name #{{#var: name}} is "{{{ {{#var: name}} }}}".<br>}}}}
Calling this with:
{{mylooptemplate|Captain Kirk|Han Solo|Shepherd Book}}
would then result in:
Character name #1 is "Captain Kirk".
Character name #2 is "Han Solo".
Character name #3 is "Shepherd Book".
It's such a relief that we have the variable extension in this wiki. So many templates could be incredibly simplified with this.
On my vault page I have an extended version of your percentage table, giving much more detailed information (e.g., what to expect in your next pull). However, so far I haven't bothered to make a template from it, so it's a bit complicated to update it (=one needs to update several numbers at three different places). I think I'll put this into a template, as it seems useful. (NOTE: "Training" should be renamed to "honor", actually). --Crunch (talk) 21:27, 22 July 2017 (CDT)
Hi Crunch, you are correct, however, that would mean unvaulted crew wouldn't appear. The purpose of the template I'm suggestion is a view similar to the vault in the game. Its a pain to look through that vault trying to find a character though. Another possibility for sorting is a row per character, with crew in the columns. This would make finding if you should airlock a new crew member very easy. Titantalk 00:37, 23 July 2017 (CDT)
I was merely giving an example using the #loop construct. One can of course think of more complex uses, such as
{{mytwoparametersloop|Captain Kirk|yes|Han Solo|frozen|Shepherd Book|ff}}
, and then querying both parameters per character.
The most important thing to consider should be to not create a huge template that needs to be constantly maintained with each new character, IMHO. --Crunch (talk) 14:46, 25 July 2017 (CDT)
Thats where a crew namespace could come in handy. I could use a loop to cycle through the entire crew namespace, alphabetically. Then, if an input parameter is defined {{{CrewName|}}}, then find out what the value is and set it accordingly. The chart would be alphabetized, with an if statement adding a new row every ~6 entries, otherwise adding a new column. Then the template itself would require virtually no maintenance, besides the occasional purge or edit->save purge, if it doesn't auto update based on namespace.
If you want to see a use of loops on the wiki, if you weren't aware, {{The Gauntlet}} use loops to auto update the history page each month. That way a new month doesn't have to be added manually. No editing of The Gauntlet or any of the tables, besides data input. Titantalk 21:39, 25 July 2017 (CDT)

Template SP and "Required Traits"

Hi Siguard. I think you might have messed up {{SP}} a bit with your most recent edit. That template affects the table on page Required Traits in undesired ways, like adding PRE boxes and making the content of the last column part of the one before that. I presume the reason is an unwanted trailing whitespace character in that template. Could you verify and correct it? (Already tried some work-arounds on Required Traits, but it's still not completely OK and very sensitive to the use of whitespace.) --Tygra Dax (talk) 12:20, 7 August 2017 (CDT)

Ooops, ok, I fixed the {{SP}} (just by undoing what I did in the first place). Sorry for the inconvenience.--Siguard (talk) 13:09, 7 August 2017 (CDT)
Thanks, that fixed it. Not saying you cannot modify {{SP}}, but take care of the whitespace. --Tygra Dax (talk) 13:01, 9 August 2017 (CDT)

Fleet Page and Archive

Hey Siguard,

May I suggest that you archive your talk page. User talk: Siguard/Archive 1 (or similar). Also, I just wanted to mention that you should take a look at the code for Template:Fleet Page. It now will only display fleets that have had their fleet pages edited within the past 9 months. This will help weed out older fleets that may no longer exist, while giving any active fleet plenty of time to edit their fleet. A warning will also appear under the fleet entry within 2 weeks of removal. Have a good afternoon, Titantalk 00:14, 15 August 2017 (CDT)

Nice Archive! Also, take a look at the template now. I made it so a file type is no longer required (it just checks along a list png -> jpg -> jpeg -> gif until it finds one, or it displays a default image). Also made Language have a default of English, and removed that entry from all fleets that just had English listed. This is now a great example of a template using variables and time dependent information. Titantalk 18:08, 15 August 2017 (CDT)

Effect of Starbase bonuses on crew data

Aside from the lv100 stats DB gives us, we have to rely on player-submitted data for all crew stats. But the fact that many players are in fleets brings into doubt the reliability of submitted crew skills for levels below 100. So far, my solution is rough: divide the displayed in-game skill by whatever the bonus happens to be (e.g, with a DIP bonus of 1%, I divide the displayed base by 1.01). This can only give us an approximate number. I'd like to ask other editors if they have any thoughts on how we accommodate starbase bonuses? Ashenjuniper (talk) 18:47, 3 September 2017 (CDT)

I've been thinking about this for a while. I can't come up with an elegant solution. The math part is easy, even with rounding errors. The hard part is how to display the info on both the user side and the editor side. The best ideal I can come up with is to display all of the skills in their base form, with no starbase bonuses, and to have a converter on each crew page, being that you enter in the base skill, your fleet's starbase bonus for that skill, and the result pops up. You'd be able to do that opposite as well, important for filling out the wiki. unfortunately, that's currently beyond my wiki markup coding skills ...if it's even possible.--Siguard (talk) 22:32, 3 September 2017 (CDT)
Might I suggest a message at the top of each crew page, reminding editors to check if they have any starbase bonuses before contributing data, and how to convert to the proper numbers. Something like "Please check whether your crew is currently benefiting from a starbase bonus before updating away team skills. If so, please use the following formula to find the proper skill number." I'm not sure how else we can remind the editors. I'm already seeing a few entries influenced by bonuses. Ashenjuniper (talk) 02:53, 4 September 2017 (CDT)
Take a look here User:Titan/Sandbox/4‎‎ and User:Titan/Sandbox/2 (2 is a sub-template of 4), these are just prototype templates, not sure what the end result will be. Please don't edit them. It might take me another 2 weeks to finish, but I would like to be the one to do it, if you don't mind. They require a user to make a subpage in their user namespace, such as User:Titan/fleet. Also, the fleet must have subpages: Fleet Second Star To The Right/starbase and Fleet Second Star To The Right/starbase/dip (x6 for the 6 skills). Only Fleet Second Star To The Right/starbase is actually checked to see if it exists though, because if that exists, it is assumed that the other pages have been created. As of now, only the top of the template is set up, the rest won't take that long, and will probably just be a switch statement per row to determine how many stars the character is. (i.e. output depends on num_stars). Take a look at the variables I'm using also... It only is required to input the proficiency once per level, because that doesn't change by fusion level. That part isn't written in code yet though. Titantalk 19:26, 6 September 2017 (CDT)


Hi Siguard, So you know, you can add javascript that only will run for you. See: User:Titan/common.js. It must be named that, in your user namespace. That is probably how you should test global changes, prior to implementing them in MediaWiki:common.js. Titantalk 16:57, 7 September 2017 (CDT)


Can Category:The_Animated_Series be renamed "Star Trek: The Animated Series", matching the other series pages, with the URL redirecting there? -User:Ashenjuniper 19:08, 18 September 2017‎

No Problem. It has been moved. --Siguard (talk) 21:41, 18 September 2017 (CDT)

New Template

Is that new template you just made the same as {{SPB}}?? Titantalk 12:25, 25 September 2017 (CDT)

Not exactly the same, but close. It can be used in the ATS tables. {{SPB}} outputs {{SP|##|##|##}}. {{ATSB}} only outputs ##. --Siguard (talk) 12:28, 25 September 2017 (CDT)
Fair enough Titantalk 13:28, 25 September 2017 (CDT)

New Category

See: Category:New ATS Template, displays all pages not currently using new template, as well as pages that are. Its a hidden category that is added to pages using the new template. Using DPL to display list of pages not in that category AND in category:crew. Take a look at the code for that page if your curious. Titantalk 02:39, 26 September 2017 (CDT)

And if you want to include that category, just use this: {{Category:New ATS Template}}. It will just show the table at the top of the category page. Titantalk 02:45, 26 September 2017 (CDT)

Starbase Template

I changed the starbase template slightly, now your fleet has its own "style" named tufg. Take a look and see if you want to modify it, I just added a horizontal option. Titantalk 10:53, 29 September 2017 (CDT)


Hello there Siguard: I saw a message suggesting if I wanted to join TUFG I should leave a message on your Talk page. Name's Kyjask, DBID 876967807287296 Looking to join your fleet. Currently in Gayest Geeks, and I do think it's starting to wilt, sadly. Looks like you might have some spots open. For now looking for just me, though I may have squad members who follow. Can't say for sure. Send me a message in-game, or on here. Can always friend me. --Kyjask (talk) 19:53, 04 October 2017 (EDT)

Deal or No Deal Template

Hey Siguard, I wanted to start out by saying I found your Deal or No Deal template and love it. I was just wondering if there was a way to utilize it using different currency, if we can incorporate the ship schematics offer, and lastly how did you figure out the formula? My fleet relies on me to provide them the info because it is so useful but it is on my user page. I could create some spreadsheet to make it more accessible, but wasn’t sure how you came up with the formula. Was there any thought to incorporate maybe a dedicated offers STT Wiki page so that all users could input they’re data and calculate the value? Just a few thoughts, let me know what you think? Thank you in advance. MulezSti (talk) 20:06, 10 October 2017 (CDT)

Thank you very much!
First, the formula is values everything to "how much Dilithium it takes" and then converts that to the USD cost per dilithium. However, since the dilithium cost per chroniton boost/cadet ticket/credit purchase changes with how many you've bought in a day, I took an average for what I'm willing to spend in a day. Everything is based on a VIP level of 14, just because I'm level 14.
Second, I can't find a way to get a value for ship schematics, because there's no real way to buy them with dilithium. ...However, I could figure out the cost of ship schematics from the drop rate in event packs. Yeah, I should do that...
Lastly, I'm currently writing out a spreadsheet for you that would be more versatile/accurate depending on your VIP level and whatnot. I'll try to have it done by this coming Monday's offer. ;) --Siguard (talk) 22:01, 11 October 2017 (CDT)
Ok that would be great! No rush, whenever you get around to it would be OK. After the amount of work I put into our Wiki Page, I can appreciate a well built template and the work that went into it to create it and I hope you didn’t mind I used it because it was that awesome. I am also a VIP 14 and I was wondering does the formula also consider the extra Dil per dollar amount spent? And I wish there was a way to calculate the honor I would get when I airlock over 150 crew when I buy the 25 or 30 packs. LOL but because they have different values I try to remember to calculate the difference and then add it to the template to get and accurate pickture of savings. If you need any help let me know but I think you are a far better wiki guru then me at the moment. Thanks for the reply and all your assistance so fare. MulezSti (talk) 22:20, 11 October 2017 (CDT)
Hey MulezSti, I've finished the Deal or No Deal spreadsheet and saved it as a [google sheet here]. It's not my prettiest spreadsheet I've put together, but it has more functionality than my template, plus I've added drop rate data for event packs/Premium 10x packs to figure out how much honor you'd get on average for however many packs bought. Also, I did work out an average cost for Ship Schematics using the drop rate data for the packs. Let me know if you have any questions about it. --Siguard (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2017 (CDT)
Hey Siguard. I have glanced at the Spreadsheet and I'm looking foward to puting it to the test whenever I get my next offer. Which suprisingly wasn't yesterday. Weird. Thank you for your assistance on that. Do you plan on updating your Wiki temlate in the future with these new parameters or leave it as is? It is still a nice template. MulezSti (talk) 19:34, 17 October 2017 (CDT)

Starbase images

Hey Siguard, would it be possible to get a image for chrons that is the same dimensions as the rest of the skills for the starbase template? Template:Fleet Starbase Bonuses Titantalk 13:47, 27 October 2017 (CDT)

Why yes, I can. I made it the same dimensions as the others and enlarged the Chron. symbol a little bit. The words, however, are smaller. If you look at it now, it's all stretched to hell, need to wait till the server refreshes the images.--Siguard (talk) 14:50, 27 October 2017 (CDT)

Equipment Icons

Hi. Can I ask why you removed the icon for Micro-Optic Drill and pushed them all over to EJ-7 Interlock instead? --Darxide (talk) 22:13, 4 November 2017 (CDT)

Because they are the same image, but we have Micro-Optic Drill picture series and an EJ-7 Interlock series. So I condensed it down to just the one series. As to why I picked EJ-7 over the Micro-Optic, it was just a matter of going through the images alphabetically. Are they slightly different and I didn't notice?--Siguard (talk) 09:19, 6 November 2017 (CST)
The Micro-Optic Drill has a red tip while the EJ-7 Interlock has a white tip. The images are slightly different, yes. I did some reverting and put the images of the Micro-Optric Drill back without affecting the EJ-7 Interlock, but the Legendary Micro-Optic Drill image really needs replaced. --Darxide (talk) 09:31, 6 November 2017 (CST)
Damn, ok. I'm on it.--Siguard (talk) 10:41, 6 November 2017 (CST)
Thanks. By the way, where do you get such clean icons? I always take mine from game screenshots which are never the best. --Darxide (talk) 14:30, 6 November 2017 (CST)
Thanks for noticing :). It's a combination of replicating, screenshots, and photo editing. I replicate to get the "item behold" image
So that I can get a clear, large image without any stars. Then I can use a Photoshop like program, Gimp, to add in the border and stars for all rarities, even if it currently doesn't exist, because there may be a future item with the same image.--Siguard (talk) 21:21, 6 November 2017 (CST)

ATSB macro

Hi Siguard!
I was taking it slow for a while, so I missed all the "fun" with the starbases messing up the wiki stats ^^
Now I sporadically started to add stuff again, and so I noticed that, while you yourself wrote this nice {{ATSB}}-Macro, you don't seem to be using it in your recent edits. May I ask why, and how you make sure in your edits to get the "unbiased" values, without using your template? Cheers! --Crunch (talk) 15:30, 17 November 2017 (CST)

I, recently, have cracked the fusion code for the game, so now I can fill out any crew's ATS tables given one skill per level and at least two at lvl 100 with only a rounding error of +/- 1, the same error we're seeing with the starbase bonuses. The game seems to only display skill numbers as whole numbers int(), but does all the math with numbers with decimal points float(). Anyway, I decided to fill in the gaps on our oldest crew. I'm glad I did, because THE oldest crew all have errors in their tables due to past server updates. Luckily, the errors are simple fixes like "+7 +(0–0) Command for all levels." There's a good 177+ crew to go through that have been around for at least 3 months, so this is going to be a long, long process.--Siguard (talk) 09:12, 20 November 2017 (CST)


Hey Siguard,
Would you mind fixing the naming for the few images uploaded today (and leaving a message on that persons wall)? Im not positive on the naming anymore for full crew images.
Thanks, Titantalk 12:09, 30 November 2017 (CST)

Uploaded Images

Hi Siguard, regarding the images, I'll remember that for the future, but when I uploaded them I didn't see any hints regarding that information on the image upload page. If I missed it, I'll check again. If not though, it may be helpful to add it there. I was just trying to avoid spaces in file names because, as a developer and linux user, I can't stand having spaces in file names, directory names, urls, etc. But, professionally, I do understand the importance of consistency, so if that is the convention I'll gladly go by it.

However, I'm not sure about the space around the image issue. When I view the PNG in my own system's utilities, I get the gray and white checkboard indicating that there is nothing whatsoever around the image, so I'm not sure what happened there. Other than the character's outline, the checkerboard starts right at the character's outline. Do you mean cropping the image down to barely containing the character itself? If so, I can do that too.

Sorinev (talk) 08:26, 1 December 2017 (CST)Sorinev

Where do you get the character headshots from?

Hey there!

I'm working on a spreadsheet tool for tracking characters earned in game, and I was wondering where you get the character headshots from for the wiki?

Thanks! DeltaGemini (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2017 (CST)

Back in the day, we got head shots from the Crew screen in-game from whomever had the best resolution. But ever since we got caught up, it's been taken from the event image that DB posts on their Facebook page. --Siguard (talk) 14:57, 1 December 2017 (CST)
Thanks! Great work! DeltaGemini (talk) 15:13, 3 December 2017 (CST)

Crew Table

Hey Siguard,

One nice thing about the new crew table template is that it will be easy to modify so the new starbase rooms are accounted for. Im going to work on that in around ~2 weeks. It shouldn't be too hard, and I tried to make the template easy to read (the code), so if you want to give it a shot, feel free to. I was thinking [[Fleet Name/starbase/prof-max/cmd]] etc. Titantalk 12:53, 7 December 2017 (CST)

Hey, would you test the changes I made to the ATS template, and check if it works for you. I updated the tutorial as well. If it all works, would you mind posting a site notice for people to see and go to the tutorial to update their bonuses. The template WILL break slightly (only the table) if a fleet has some starbase rooms but not others. Im not going to try to code a way to prevent this as it will be a pain. All bonuses default to 0, so the table itself shouldn't break. Thanks, Titantalk 16:32, 18 December 2017 (CST)
Looks great! How does the ATS template look? Titantalk 12:28, 19 December 2017 (CST)

Crew Max skill Template

Hey, i noticed what you are doing and it looks good. ALTHOUGH, i think perhaps making a template that gets stats from crew subpages might be better as the template wouldnt need updating efter every new crew or stat change. A template that verifies if the entered name is a crew member, and returns either a table row, table, or just the top stat depending on options entered. Info can be stored at subpages of crew like Tempted Data/skill1_base (for the 5 star level 100 base stat of the primary skill. Tempted Data/skill1 would be the shortcode for the skill (eng, i think). This would be easier to maintain in the long term i think, and would have more potential features, such as using to keep data tables on other pages accuratly updated (such as the engineering table). Thoughts? Titantalk 12:51, 19 December 2017 (CST)

ItemPic Template

Hey Siguard. I just converted my Crew Quarters over to {{ItemPic}} for all item images, but a few still show up as the 'error' icon and I can't figure out why. If you look at the bottom under the Cryostasis Vault you'll find Kang, Kor, and Koloth. All three of them show the 'error' icon for their armor. I've already looked at {{ItemPic/1}} and everything appears correct there, at least to my eye. Since all three of them use the same icon for their armor and since all three are not displaying properly, it seems like it should be a problem in the Similar Item list, but I just can't find a problem. Could you look at this and tell me what the problem is? Thanks. --Darxide (talk) 13:27, 26 December 2017 (CST)

Hi Darxide! It was one typo for Kang, an incorrect name for Koloth, and Kor's doesn't have the "TOS" suffix. I fixed it on your page :o) --Crunch (talk) 16:50, 26 December 2017 (CST)
I don't even know how I managed to screw all three of those up at the same time. It just made me think there was something wrong with that icon. I didn't have problems with any other item, either. Thanks Crunch. --Darxide (talk) 20:53, 26 December 2017 (CST)

Icon Pictures

Hey Sigard. Hope you had a great Holiday and a great new year. Just had a quick question because I’ve seen your name on some of the files when I’ve been looking. There are certain icons I’d like to use and incorporate into my wiki page and was wondering if there was a place to request an upload or some other means? I’m looking for the trophy icon in the gauntlet, the galaxy icon in the bottom right of the game, Commander; Captain; Admiral icons in the battle arena . All I can do is screenshot and crop and it doesn’t match the other icons that I’m referencing in my page. Does that make sense? Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks again. MulezSti (talk) 14:39, 27 December 2017 (CST)

I responded (Finally, sorry) to your post on my page. Thanks MulezSti (talk) 11:36, 16 February 2018 (CST)
hey Siguard. The icons look great. I responded to your response on my page. Just looking for a minor edit on two of them. Thanks so much. MulezSti (talk) 15:50, 30 April 2018 (CDT)

ItemPic Request

Hey again, Siguard. I was wondering if it was possible to get another option for the {{ItemPic}} template, if possible. I don't even know if it's possible, but I suspect it might be. I'd like to be able to stop commenting out items on my Crew Quarters that I don't have equipped. Is it possible for an icon to be "greyed out" or in some other way darkened or faded to indicate what goes there, but that it isn't equipped and to have that option put into ItemPic, maybe? Thanks. --Darxide (talk) 00:21, 29 December 2017 (CST)

Darxide, That turned out to be easier than I thought. Adding the variable "gray=y" to the {{ItemPic}} template call will put a semi-translucent gray layer over the image. So something like
will return:
--Siguard (talk) 10:10, 29 December 2017 (CST)
Wow, that was quick and came out better than I expected. Thanks! --Darxide (talk) 14:10, 29 December 2017 (CST)

Something is wrong with the grey options. Go back to my Crew Quarters, edit the page and then select preview without making any changes. Scroll to the bottom and look at what the edit box looks like. As I add more grey ItemPics in place of the commented out icons more and more elements on the page get messed up until eventually large parts of the page are no longer displaying. Now exit edit mode and go back to the normal Crew Quarters page and view source on the page. Go down to line 5385. You'll find a large bank of extra </div> tags that do not belong there. In fact, they don't belong anywhere. It seems that using the grey option is inserting extra div closing tags which will begin destroying the layout of the page which becomes more and more apparent the more you have. Once I had converted all of the blank icons to grey ItemPics, everything on the page was gone except the Active Crew table. Nothing else was visible at all. I've already rolled back the edits that I made, but you can go to the page history and view them just to see how much is missing from the bottom of the page. --Darxide (talk) 01:47, 30 December 2017 (CST)
I figured out what was going on. In your blank code section, the<div display:none> wasnt playing well with {{ItemPic}}. I put that section in an <includeonly> section, so you won't see it on the Crew Quarters page, but it will be an issue if you transclude that page somewhere else.--Siguard (talk) 22:04, 30 December 2017 (CST)
I don't think there's any danger in me ever transcluding my Crew Quarters page anywhere. Thanks for figuring that out. That section is just there for my own use to copy/paste whenever I add a new crew memeber. Thanks for looking at this. I couldn't figure it out and I stared at the template for a long time. It never occurred to me that the problem was something on my page that was interacting strangely. --Darxide (talk) 22:39, 30 December 2017 (CST)

Update - Upon further review, it seems the problem is still there, it just doesn't hide portions of my page anymore. Any page using the grey option will experience issues, but these problems only affect whatever is below the page content. For most Wiki pages, this is nothing. Though, there will be pages that are affected by this. For instance, any page being edited will still have the edit box and all info under the edit box affected. You can still see this on my Crew Quarters page if you enter edit mode, preview, and then scroll all the way to the bottom. Let's look at an example.
<td> <div style="position:relative;width:50px;margin:auto;"><a href="/wiki/Diplomatic_Dress_Uniform_VOY" title="Diplomatic Dress Uniform VOY"><img alt="DiplomaticDressUniformVOYLegendary.png" src="/w/images/thumb/4/41/DiplomaticDressUniformVOYLegendary.png/50px-DiplomaticDressUniformVOYLegendary.png" width="50" height="50" srcset="/w/images/thumb/4/41/DiplomaticDressUniformVOYLegendary.png/75px-DiplomaticDressUniformVOYLegendary.png 1.5x, /w/images/thumb/4/41/DiplomaticDressUniformVOYLegendary.png/100px-DiplomaticDressUniformVOYLegendary.png 2x" /></a><div style="position:absolute;left:0px;top:0px;overflow:hidden;width:50px;height:50px"><div style="position:relative;left:0px;top:0px;"><a href="/wiki/Diplomatic_Dress_Uniform_VOY" title="Diplomatic Dress Uniform VOY"><img alt="Grey.png" src="/w/images/thumb/a/a7/Grey.png/50px-Grey.png" width="50" height="50" srcset="/w/images/thumb/a/a7/Grey.png/75px-Grey.png 1.5x, /w/images/thumb/a/a7/Grey.png/100px-Grey.png 2x" /></a></div></div>
This is the code block that displays the first item for Sniper Ezri Dax. I don't have this item equipped to her, so it's greyed out. If you look at the code, there are three opening div tags, but only two closing div tags. I copied the source code of the page into Notepad++ and did a count on opening and closing tags, and there are equal numbers of them. What seems to be happening is that the extra closing div that should be in the snipped of code above is actually getting put at the bottom of the page which is screwing everything up. So I was wrong when I thought there extra </div> tags on the page. They're just being put in the wrong place. --Darxide (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2017 (CST)
Ok, I'm pretty sure I got it now. Sorry for all of the trial and error here.--Siguard (talk) 11:28, 1 January 2018 (CST)
New problem. Look at my Crew Quarters page. You'll immediately see what's wrong. This seems to be a problem anywhere using the {{ItemPic}} template. I see it all over the Wiki now. And don't worry about the trial and error. It happens. --Darxide (talk) 12:32, 1 January 2018 (CST)
Alright, take a look now and let me know if anything is still messed up. If it is, then could you take a screenshot and post it here? I'm not seeing anything else wrong.--Siguard (talk) 17:23, 1 January 2018 (CST)
Ok, so far I don't see anything wrong. I'll let you know if I find anything. Thanks for taking the time to work on this. --Darxide (talk) 17:47, 1 January 2018 (CST)

Full Body Image uploads

Hey Siguard, I've uploaded some new full body images to the wiki and will continue to do so as I have time, but I wanted to mention I forgot to put the "Full" part in the filename. I'll try to change it if I can figure it out, but FYI for the existing ones. This affects Mariachi Q, Florist Q, and The Clown. Going forward I will remember. --Sorinev (talk) 11:05, 10 January 2018 (CST)

Siguard, a question regarding full body image code on wiki pages. I've been using Tempted Data as my model for when I add new full body images, but after I added Florist Q, it was changed to something totally different that is completely based on the page name of the character (completely dynamic - no manually typing crew member name). I assume that's the preferred way then? And is there anything else I should know?

Crew Table

Hey, Was adding the new collection boosts easy? I tried when originally making that template to allow for other percentage bonuses to come up so it was easy to expand. Titantalk 03:11, 4 March 2018 (CST)

Adding the actual bonuses to the table was fairly easy, the hardest part was figuring out I needed to have the code say User:{{CURRENTUSER}}/cvc instead of how you had {{User: {{CURRENTUSER}}/fleet}}. Those currly brackets can be tricky. Heh. (I actually figured out WHY just now when I previewed this post without having the nowiki tags on there) --Siguard (talk) 09:28, 4 March 2018 (CST)
Haha, glad to hear it was easy. Yup, on the fleet one you want to go to the fleet page's subpages, however on the cvc ones you want to stay with the user subpages. Think it would be possible for you to (if user/cvc path exists) display Fleet <fleetname> + User collection bonuses in the heading to the starbase table. And perhaps figure out where the best place for a link to those pages would be? (i.e. Separate the percentages into +4% (+5%) for fleet (collection) or something like that.) Titantalk 22:42, 4 March 2018 (CST)

Item images

May i suggest that we start creating redirect pages following the naming scheme for items for all items that have the same icon as another. This will make it so we can just have a template that takes the item name and rarity and automatically add the correct image, rather then have to have a list of all images that is parsed? Would be more efficient, and easier to expand in the future (i think) when more images are added. Just a thought Titantalk 16:42, 5 March 2018 (CST)

I don't know. Currently, I'm working on adding Root Images to the wiki. These 200x200px images were first add as a solution to the not-exactly-perfect Item flip issue and now I've expanded it to all images. The {{ItemPic}} Template first looks for the specific rarity of the image, if one doesn't exist, it'll use a root image (say a Text Book TextBook.png) and add a rarity cover over it (like FlipUncommon.png) to make Spacer.pngTextBook.pngFlipUncommon.png. So, in the future (and last week), all we'll need to upload for new images will be the Root Image (and Base Image, the basic version of an item, for now).
I understand this isn't exactly want your talking about. You're more talking about getting rid of the need to enter the ItemName on crafting tables and use redirects instead of having to go through {{ItemPic/1}} for the same looking images. It could be even with the root images, but I don't think it could look up specific rarities before overlaying the images. I'm not 100% on if that would be the case. But first I need to create and upload about 571 Root Images.--Siguard (talk) 09:40, 6 March 2018 (CST)
Nice, that makes sense. Uploading 1 image per item is nice. Titantalk 10:07, 6 March 2018 (CST)


Hey, You should take a closer look at extension: Dynamic Page list 3. (just search in google that along with mediawiki). Here is an example of its usage:

Extension:DynamicPageList (DPL), version 3.3.3: Warning: No results.

Titantalk 20:57, 11 March 2018 (CDT)

I see you are experimenting with DPL, like it so far? I think it will be real useful for populating pages like that, and perhaps if we start adding subpages for all crew pages with such as:
  • Crew/skill1
  • Crew/skill2
  • Crew/skill3

ifexist: Crew/skill1

  • Crew/skill1/FFEE_base
  • Crew/skill1/FFEE_maxprof


That would allow auto populating tables such as the crew list, just using category crew. Would also allow auto populating gauntlet crew. Thoughts? Titantalk 21:49, 19 March 2018 (CDT)

Adding Images as Files

Hi there, Titan mentioned you were quite knowledgeable with adding images to various pages and know the process, my problem is the main logo of my Fleet, which I made recently but I can't seem to change the thumbnail dimension or 'delete the current' for the newer versions. (which are 800x800) TIA - TPol Sasha0z (talk) 13:58, 20 March 2018 (CDT) File:Fleet_FREEDOM_FIGHTERS!.png

I'm not entirely sure what you're having trouble with. The fleet logo you want is the 800x800px Starfleet-esque logo, right? If so, it's already on your fleet page. If you're wanting to change the size of that logo on the fleet page, the you should delete the red part of the code below and then change the size of the green section of code.
|Box title = [FF] Freedom Fighters!
|Image file=[[File:{{PAGENAME}}.png|300px]]
|link1 =
|Image size = 200px
|Row 1 title = Created
|Row 1 info = Janurary 2016
Also, a word of caution. The File pages take a few hours to update. So, don't trust any squished images it may be showing if you had recently changed it.--Siguard (talk) 14:35, 20 March 2018 (CDT)

Hi again, I'm very new to the Wiki, yes at the link (of the image, not 'fleet') you'll see that the dimensions are actually showing as (785 × 296 pixels, file size: 98 KB, MIME type: image/png) << that is actually the 'old' logo dimensions, I had 'swapped' it for the new one when the new logo wouldn't change, then Titan had helped me (not sure of the steps, but at least it fixed and then showed at both the Fleet Page and Fleets Lists' pages. I simply need to delete or get rid of what shows here File:Fleet_FREEDOM_FIGHTERS!.png as it is 'set' to the dimensions of the old image, even though it shows correctly at the pages, it doesn't on the 'image page' because of the old thumbnails dimensions. Titan had advised me to get in touch with you to help fix it, also that there was a known glitch, but in this case I need to set it so it is the second down at the image page, as you'll note it does not show as 785x296 as per the current one. Sasha0z (talk) 14:56, 20 March 2018 (CDT)

Aha.. it either fixed when I tried the 'revert' before posting on you page here, but as you say, it took a little while.. Thanks Sasha0z (talk) 15:03, 20 March 2018 (CDT) Oh dear, a minute ago it was at 800 x 800 (actually 4 were there, and the old one at the bottom) now it's gone back to the old 785x296 again sizing again The squished 'current one was gone' now it's back. Sasha0z (talk) 15:20, 20 March 2018 (CDT) help :/

Had reverted the image again yesterday, also a quick chat to Crunch, issue sorted and thanks for your help as well, Cheers TPol - Sasha0z (talk) 04:01, 22 March 2018 (CDT)

Category Values

Hey, thought I would let you know that we ran a few maintenance scripts and got the category values to populate correctly now. (well, I cant say for future, but current values are correct). Titantalk 21:20, 29 March 2018 (CDT)

Dot before image name?

Hi Siguard! Out of curiosity, what is the reason for this dot you added to the image name of this item? Cheers, --Crunch (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2018 (CDT)

It's a tldr thing. I did that to "flag" any item image that didn't look 100% perfect as unused images and did a mass delete. Most, if not all, dots can be removed. --Siguard (talk) 18:40, 15 April 2018 (CDT)

Wiki Extracts Plugin

Hi Siguard,

I was told recently that STT Wiki lacks the Extracts Plugin can this be fixed? Had stated that I should contact them & get the stt wiki to run this plugin Wiki's without the plugin make it very difficult to 'grab info from wiki's that don't have it installed'. TIA Siguard, TPol- Sasha0z (talk) 04:50, 17 April 2018 (CDT)

Hi Sasha0z, what are you wanting to use that extension for? The wiki already has a built in API that many people use for bots on discord. This API produces a JSON result, which can be parsed via JavaScript. Here is an example that returns up to 10,000 unused images on the wiki in JSON format, which is easily parable via JavaScript: See the link I provided to the API information of MediaWiki. Titantalk 08:06, 17 April 2018 (CDT)
Hi Titan, Thanks for the info.. shall pass it on - TPol - Sasha0z (talk) 20:52, 17 April 2018 (CDT)


Would you be able to modify Template:ItemX to not display broken links/image links when on a template:ItemX/itemname page? There are almost 15000 wanted pages on the wiki, most are from that issue. A check for current pagename could be done, if rootpagename (mw:Help:Magic_words#Page_names) is ItemX, change link accordingly. Id rather not mess with a template that complicated that I didn't make. Thanks!Titantalk 10:57, 17 April 2018 (CDT)

Also, this might be of interest to you, not sure though: Template:Namespace Links. Titantalk 16:50, 17 April 2018 (CDT)
Hey, Are you sure it's {{ItemX}} that's making all of the wanted pages and not {{ItemPic}}?--Siguard (talk) 08:42, 18 April 2018 (CDT)
No idea, eitherway would you be able to take a look? Titantalk 09:37, 18 April 2018 (CDT)
Apparently, even if you use an #ifexist:File:....., you trigger the "Wanted pages". I'll go through and flip the if tests in ItemPic so it won't go to the #ifexist:File:..... except for the pages that link to other pages that need root images.--Siguard (talk) 10:26, 18 April 2018 (CDT)
My long term, i.e. over the summer goal, is to make it so that the following categories are empty under Maintenance reports:
Note: Some of the links don't update quickly, as a result, they may be out of date. Ignore any pages that are crossed out, they are not "issues". If you would like to help, that would be awesome! Titantalk 19:53, 18 April 2018 (CDT)

Fleet Page

Hi there Siguard, was hoping you can help fix something I was trying to change at the Freedom Fighters page (an Events tabbed 'page') it hit a problem, either I'm overtired or I've missed something obvious (really just copied the top of 'my' own profile page), so am sure it's something of a 'code' for the page, have no idea what that might be as it's not 'switching back and forward' from Events to main Fleet Page. Was also trying to make 2 columns for 'Rank so the Sister Fleet could have it's own. Hope you can help or know someone who can.Sasha0z (talk) 09:20, 22 May 2018 (CDT)TIA, TPol:

It turns out that subpages aren't enabled in the Main namespace, so if you use {{BASENAME}} on the page "Fleet FREEDOM FIGHTERS!/Events", it'll return "Fleet FREEDOM FIGHTERS!/Events" instead of "Fleet FREEDOM FIGHTERS!". So I just hardcoded the pagenames in those tabs for you. Also, I hooked you up with new EventListHeader so now you can enter your main fleet and sister fleet ranking in two columns. NOTE: I did not change the EventList template, so you'll have to list the main fleet's rank as the variable "Rank" and the sister fleet's rank as the variable "SquadRank". I went ahead and edited the data you've already entered to show you what I mean.--Siguard (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2018 (CDT)
Thank you so much for the prompt fix and reply, regardless of the level of tiredness I was experiencing, sounds like I certainly would not have worked it out either :)Sasha0z (talk) 02:28, 23 May 2018 (CDT)aka TPol

New Template Question

Hey Siguard, I'm trying to create a new template. I'm not sure if anyone else is interested in this idea other than myself, but I can think of a few places it could be useful. Anyhow, I want it to be an offshoot of the {{SP}} template. I was going to call it SP2. I'm sure it could be rolled into the existing SP template without hurting already existing uses of it, but that's beyond what I'm comfortable tinkering with. This new template would function exactly as {{SP}} does except that it will then take whatever numbers you input and add your Starbase and Collection Bonuses to them. This way I can use the template on my Crew Quarters page and just input the base stats for each crew since DB was kind enough to put that info right into the game. Then whatever my current bonuses are, they'd be added so that anybody viewing my page would see my crew with my bonuses already added and they could use the same template to do the same. Creating new templates from scratch is not something I'm very strong in, but I can modify existing stuff pretty well. I looked at the {{Crew Page ATS Table}} template thinking that maybe I could somehow just pass my numbers to it and have them come back with bonuses added, but the way that template is setup it doesn't look like that's possible. From there I just took a lot of the guts from {{Crew Page ATS Table}} and mixed them with {{SP}}, but the big problem is that I haven't figured out how to get it so that my bonuses show up instead of the viewer's bonuses. So I guess all of this is a long-winded way of asking for help with this concept. Since you've produced most of the newer (and seemingly complex) templates for the Wiki, you're who I immediately thought of asking first. If you don't care or don't have the time then that's no problem and I understand. :p --Darxide (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2018 (CDT)

I figured I'd respond because I wrote the {{Crew Page ATS Table}} template. I don't have the time at present to help do this but here is my suggestion. Create a separate template that would need the template call would look like: {{spbonus|<base>|<min prof>|<max prof>|<skill>|<username>}}. There is no way to get around needing the skill code, and the username. the username can be used to access the user's cvc bonuses, the User:<username>/fleet page, which then accesses the users fleet bonuses. The username should default to current user if left blank, and ideally not screw up if not logged in. The skill is required to know which bonus to use. This could be incorporated into {{SP}}, but it should be designed as a separate template and "bug tested" before being merged into SP. SP is used on 640 pages extensively, so it is a "high risk" template to edit directly without significant testing. This shouldn't be too hard to implement, especially if using variables. Hope this helps, Titantalk 00:30, 25 May 2018 (CDT)
Did it. You are now able to use the {{SP}} template with a specific user's bonuses by using {{SP|<base>|<min prof>|<max prof>|<skill>|User=<username>}}. Titan is right though, you do need to enter the skill for this to work, otherwise the template will return the base stats entered.--Siguard (talk) 11:45, 25 May 2018 (CDT)
First, thanks for doing that for me. Though there is a problem. It's returning the incorrect values. I just tested with Kortar, but it's returning numbers higher than they should be. I've double checked on Kortar's crew page and everything is fine there. I checked the page code for the base values and they agree with mine, so it's the calculations in the {{SP}} template that are sending back the wrong numbers. --Darxide (talk) 22:35, 25 May 2018 (CDT)
I've been looking at the new {{SP}} template and I found where it's going wrong. It's using the {{ATSB}} template with a negative bonus. This isn't working right because when calculating bonus stats the game rounds down to the nearest whole number. For example, Kortar's base core Command is 921. My total core Command bonus is 11%. So, 921*1.11 = 1022.31 which the game rounds to 1022. {{ATSB|921|-11}} outputs 1035 instead of 1022. Breaking down {{ATSB}}, {{ATSB|921|-11}} translates to 921/(1-(-11/100)) which equals 1034.83 which gets rounded up to 1035. Basically, {{ATSB}} can't be used in reverse. --Darxide (talk) 23:08, 26 May 2018 (CDT)
Damnit! sorry, I thought I was being clever there. I figured flipping the signs would do the trick, but forgot about the dividing instead of multiplying. That's fixed now.--Siguard (talk) 20:30, 27 May 2018 (CDT)
Thanks a million. One final note, I noticed a few off-by-one errors so I did some looking and it seems that instead of always rounding down, the game rounds to the nearest whole number, so anything with .5 or more is rounded up. I changed the {{UserBonus}} template to reflect that. Now I just have to update my entire Crew Quarters and Vault pages. That's going to be some work. Thanks again. --Darxide (talk) 01:28, 28 May 2018 (CDT)

Template:ShipAbility - 1StarAbiltyBoost

Great work on the ShipAbility template - much better structure than the old way. I'm noticing that the property "1StarAbiltyBoost" might be mis-spelled, and a lot of Crew pages already have it. Is that spelling of "Abilty" intentional? Or will that change?

Phroglet (talk) 08:27, 30 May 2018 (CDT)

Hahaha, totally not intentional. Awesome... Thanks for the catch.--Siguard (talk) 08:43, 30 May 2018 (CDT)


Why am I getting Captcha challenges on every update to Tourist Reed?

I need this to stop or I will not contribute to the wiki due to the extra typing and clicks.

New Crew listings

Hi there Siguard, been meaning to offer any help you think may be useful, (so do let me know anytime) but at the moment thought I'd ask about the 'linking' of the current new crew listings to Legendary etc? I'm sure Admin & yourself are more than likely aware of the issue; that > they don't seem to be appearing in the Crew pages listings, but I see no differences in 'edit' mode? Also wondered if it's meant to be linked to the crew/list page TIA Sasha0z (talk) 02:26, 7 July 2018 (CDT)

Yeah, there's currently an issue with the Categories not updating. I personally don't know what the deal is, but Titan fixed it last time this happened. As far as helping, you totally can. I need to compile a list of the "everyday" (really, like twice a week) things I do for the wiki. I'm going to have less and less time to work on it. It's pretty much a plug and play process at this point. If you want to e-mail me, we can talk about it more. --Siguard (talk) 09:04, 7 July 2018 (CDT)
Thanks for the prompt reply, (Someone also msg'd Titan earlier) and no problems on emailing you.. shall do; time on my hands, may as well prove useful :) Sasha0z (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2018 (CDT)
Hi again, have sent an email regarding my offer of help, hope you received it ok. With the growing number of New Crew since the problem, I decided to have a look around (and am trying to pick up a few things along the way) but I noticed a few things 1: there's no 'Q' category in 2: nor is it 'showing' (even though I noticed for Example Queen Guin' was showing in edit mode) here >> - a common factor is (I think) problems started with Queen Guin' on.. there's also no Q Category in Legendaries, maybe other 'letters' are missing in Rare and so on?. Anyway, just thought I'd let someone know those points, at least it's somewhere if Titan finds it of interest, he noted it as being a long way off on the Wiki Admin page. Also, hoping the email got through, and if not let me know. TIA --Sasha0z (talk) 09:54, 20 July 2018 (CDT)
The e-mail did not go through. Would you mind trying again? I'm going to be busy till Monday the 23rd, but if I still didn't get an e-mail, I'll contact you like I did last time. As far as the categories and there not being a "Q" section. That shouldn't matter. The category page would add in a Q section if it were working properly. The issue is the "jobs" are piling up in the Job Queue. Only the admin that can access the server can clear the jobs list so the Wiki can re-run all the jobs and the Categories will fix themselves. BUT, this version of MediaWiki (1.28) is prone to these category issues, so we're going to update the Wiki to v.1.31. I don't have a date of when that will be, unfortunately.--Siguard (talk) 10:16, 20 July 2018 (CDT)

Wiki 1.31

Hi Siguard,

When will the wiki be updated to wiki 1.31 as mentioned on the forum to fix all the bugs, including the Crew/List count not displaying properly and the Category:Crew Vault head not displaying all the crew once you add it on? --Captain Spirk (talk) 07:24, 1 September 2018 (CDT)

I don't have a date. That would be a question for Titan. He's part of the technical staff. I don't have access to the server. I'm hoping it'll be updated sooner rather than later.--Siguard (talk) 08:34, 1 September 2018 (CDT)

Crew Page ATS Table/Tutorial

Hi Siguard,

Has User:Titan asked you to take a look at my Template: Crew Page ATS Table/Tutorial page yet? I recently changed my fleet from [[ Fleet Ohio Baby ]] to Fleet Colonial Fleet Ohio and I want the Template: Crew Page ATS Table/Tutorial page to display my new fleet's stats.

Refer to my talk page User talk: Captain Spirk

Thanks in advance.

--Captain Spirk (talk) 08:13, 12 September 2018 (CDT)

Titan did not contact me, but I changed your fleet's stats by updating your User:Captain Spirk/fleet page to display the current name of your fleet.--Siguard (talk) 09:28, 12 September 2018 (CDT)
Thank you for updating my User:Captain Spirk/fleet . I am now having trouble with proficiency figures not displaying on the Template: Crew Page ATS Table/Tutorial page. Can you please sort this out for me as well? Many thanks. --Captain Spirk (talk) 10:58, 12 September 2018 (CDT)

Crew List Page

Hi Siguard,

I'd spent a bit of time adding crew, though recently there were changes made to all crew (that had no #1 skills) and noticed that the -- or ?? were removed, this also makes those crew not even show their skill at all, I made a note on the discussion page also in the 'history' notes as all versions of Tyler were given Klingon as a Species (instead of as a Trait) Was holding off adding any more crew until sorted out. TIA Sasha0z (talk) 01:01, 17 October 2018 (CDT) aka:[FF]Sevennah

Item Icon Problem

Hey Siguard. I just noticed something strange. Phaser Type 2 (29C) is showing the wrong icon in both SLINav and ItemPic templates. It's showing the icon for Phaser Type 2 (DS9). Stolen 29th Century Technology is also showing the icon for the DS9 phaser because it shares the icon with the 29th Century one. I've checked over Template:SLINav and Template:ItemPic/1 and can't find anything wrong with either of them. You can see the problem here Phaser Type 2. Can you do a sanity check for me and let me know if you find a problem? Thanks. --Darxide (talk) 12:10, 21 January 2019 (CST)

Fixed it. I'd seen something like this before, the problem was a missing '=' on Template:ItemPic/1, making it all flow into the (DS9) block below it. The item line of the block was just
| Phaser Type 2 (29C) | Stolen 29th Century Technology
instead of
| Phaser Type 2 (29C) | Stolen 29th Century Technology =
Middlehead (talk) 22:22, 21 January 2019 (CST)
Thanks Middlehead. --Siguard (talk) 16:26, 22 January 2019 (CST)
Thanks Middlehead. I looked at it a half dozen times and never noticed the missing equal sign. --Darxide (talk) 20:09, 22 January 2019 (CST)

Ranked Reward Tiers Change

I've filled out the ranked reward table for the current event Temporal Trespassers, and I don't know how to change the table to the new tiers announced here: Is there an existing template for changing those tiers? --Ashenjuniper (talk) 08:44, 28 January 2019 (CST)

Well I think I have it (, but I don't know how to add the section for dilithium rewards. I have the table saved offline, and will add the new table sans dilithium with a footnote linking to the aforementioned forum post. You're free to change any of it, of course. --09:40, 28 January 2019 (CST)